Adobe: 'lack of cooperation' for iPad Flash support

21. @duskrider: so not only do you admit to contradicting yourself but also fail to see the irony of criticizing some as being abusive and yet be just as abusive yourself?

most people would have the self-awareness to hide away unlike yourself who'd trudge on and make a bigger fool of yourself

20. @ffrankmccaffery

If you'd read my first sentence, instead of choosing to ignore what you want to ignore, you'd possibly understand what I was saying. If you'd learn not to be insulting in your posts you might even get a good friendly debate going. Instead, you stoop to being insulting. Nice. Being a verbal bully and forcing your opinion on others doesn't make you look smarter, just ignorant.

Here's my original post's first sentence for you to read again, slowly:

"Whether or not Apple is avoiding Flash because of its own agenda doesn't change the fact that Apple is right: Adobe is lazy and has buggy code."

19. @duskrider

"Adobe's arrogant, insulting attitude, draconian licensing practices and ripoff pricing don't leave them with many friends. Apple, being the opposite of them (except maybe the arrogance) wouldn't get along well. That's probably the reason for the lack of cooperation."

aren't those your words?

denying what you've said makes you seem not only childish but also incapable of holding a sensible discussion

18. @jonessoda While I agree Apple should be looking to add Flash in the iPad as it's billed as a home internet consumption device, it's not just them dropping the ball. Considering how badly Flash runs on Mac OS X, they're right to at least be wary.

I'm not sure where Premiere Pro comes into it, but Adobe still has a long way to go there, what with the BBC and studios like Aardman Animations using Final Cut primarily.

FCP does actually support Blu-ray burning, though DVD Studio Pro doesn't - but then as it's a full professional mastering program, it'll be a huge undertaking to change it to support all of Blu-ray's features. It's not like just making 'Blu-ray' an option for disc types is going to cut it when it'll have to support BD-Java, PiP, real-time menus and so on.

17. @alperian you cut something with fur out with a lasso? FAIL

for something with smooth edges you should use the pen tool and try to match the edge blurring. For something like fur you need to be brushing a mask.

16. Apple has dropped the ball on adding flash support to the Iphone a long time ago. It is foolish of them to continue denying users this when it should be a simple thing to impliment. As a Video Editor, I see Adobe's video Products gaining ground over Apple's Final Cut Studio. They havent made any signifigant improvements to FCP in 2 years and now users are jumping ship to Adobe. Adobe has supported Blu-ray Authoring since April 2007 and Apple refuses to provide support with Final Cut and through it's authoring software.

15. windymiller: Yes, Apple is arrogant BUT: have you ever phoned them? Great to deal with - unlike Adobe. Pricing like Adobe? NOT. $29 for a new version of the OS, $99 for iWork - Adobe doesn't even do anything for $99. Hell, they won't even talk to you for $99. Draconian licensing from Apple? $129 for family packs of almost anything? That's draconian? You pay more up front for the hardware, but less on the the rest - Adobe CSx costs more than most computers, even many Macs. Adobe takes forever to fix even the most minor bugs, despite charging a premium for their products.

For the record, I'm in both camps (PC & Mac) full time. Dealing with Adobe in any capacity, whether for Mac or PC, just plain sucks. They do not deserve the money they get for their products, period. They have effectively cornered certain segments of the market and behave accordingly. Real competition would make them so much better.

If you think Adobe is a good, responsive company with good code and reasonably priced products and fair licensing, you have been smoking better stuff than I. Or you haven't dealt with them much.

14. @ duckrider

Yeah, but you do imply it with your vociferously fanboy reaction to adobes comments.

I Like this quote.

"Adobe's arrogant(apple), insulting attitude(apple), draconian licensing practices(apple) and ripoff pricing(apple) don't leave them with many friends(apple). Apple, being the opposite of them"

WHAT, have you been smoking?

Alternatives to dreamweaver? try

http://www.osalt.com/dreamweaver

plenty there to choose from. I'm sure adobe will be sorry to lose you.

13. How anyone can accuse Adobe of being "lazy" in defence of Apple who couldn't be ar$ed putting a decent OS on the iPad but just ported one from a handheld PMP player is beyond me. Thats lazy and to be honest, shows a distinct lack of respect for loyal Apple customers.

12. ffrankmccaffery: where did you see me say that Apple isn't doing the same thing? Putting words in other people's mouths is childish and does nothing to make you look like you have good debating skills.

11. "Adobe's arrogant, insulting attitude, draconian licensing practices and ripoff pricing don't leave them with many friends."

Sorry, excuse me, I seem to have stepped into the wrong universe. Damn William James!

10. @duskrider: and Apple aren't charging rippoff prices for their products. And if your that loved up with all things Apple to think it's supposedly buggy code thats putting off Apple from including flash support than you seriously are a deluded fool. It doesn't seem to be a problem for Nokia who support it for their S60 devices without any problem.

9. I'm not too worried about the Adobe v Apple debate but I do wish Steve Jobs would find a way to work with Adobe and allow Flash on the iPad. I use a 3GS at the moment and find the browsing experience frustrating as more often then not I find the page I want on my iPhone but then have to look it up using Firefox on my PC. I would love to buy an iPad but as things stand will probably wait for a suitable Windows based alternative.

8. @ alperian.

If you have gone to the trouble and great expense to own and use CS4, and can't be @rsed to download a plugin to make to make it easier to use, then you are a fool of the highest calibre. Or, if you haven't paid for it, you have no right to complain.

@ dee.

Either buy a mac or use firefox or chrome, problem solved.

7. @ troyhark I find that Safari does crash quite a lot and because I am using it on a Windows machine all the tabs go down with it. I do like the browser but this is my only problem with it as this supposedly doesn't happen if using it on a Mac.

6. Alperian - maybe you should learn to use PS better before criticizing it. And the extended version is more expensive as it has tools that are not aimed at photographers.

As for Adobe Vs Apple + Flash, I use Macs and don't have crashes as a result of Flash or buzzing fans, but then I use Opera and not the clumsy Safari. Flash also works OK on my PCs. Apple produce a lot of seriously buggy OS code and to accuse Adobe of doing so is deeply ironic. UPdates to OSX are a frequent and necessary occurence, Apple are no better than MS to my mind.

5. My PC doesn't crash constantly (it doesn't crash at all) when I am using Flash. My suspicion is that it is the iPhone/iPad OS that is the fragile thing here, not Flash, and Apple's refusal to allow it onto their hardware has more to do with them knowing this than anything else.

4. Whether or not Apple is avoiding Flash because of its own agenda doesn't change the fact that Apple is right: Adobe is lazy and has buggy code.

Steve Jobs would take if personally if the iPad/iPhone crashed constantly even if it was because of Adobe, so Adobe better fix their crappy code if they ever want to see Flash on Apple's small devices.

Adobe's arrogant, insulting attitude, draconian licensing practices and ripoff pricing don't leave them with many friends. Apple, being the opposite of them (except maybe the arrogance) wouldn't get along well. That's probably the reason for the lack of cooperation.

I, for one, have abandoned Adobe for ANY other solution I could find, as soon as I could. Dreamweaver is the last Adobe product I am using. That will be next, as soon as I can find a similarly equipped alternative. I mean, <i>that minute</i>.

3. As a iphone 3G user I was really impressed with the ipad demo and my immediate thought was “I want one”! Although would probably wait for v2 / v3 as it felt like I was beta testing the iphone until v3 of the OS!

This would be a great device to replace both my netbook and video player for trips etc. The battery lasts ten hours and like an iphone it turns on instantly from stand-by – wow.

However no Flash support is a massive pain. I’m not an Apple person or a PC person or an Adobe person – I just like technology that enables me to do the things I want. Wwithout Flash I feel the ipad will be hamstrung – my £200 netbook has got Flash, so why not an £600 ipad?

If I handed the ipad to my daughter she would head straight to the BBC’s CBeebies website which wouldn’t work, my wife would head straight to a video site – which most likely would be flash enabled and wouldn’t work. Neither would be impressed and the Netbook would be fired up again.

However the cynical part of me can’t help but feel that the real reason for no Flash support and the ongoing and really dull public Apple / Adobe row is that it would massively undermine the app store / itunes video store and that Apple want to keep a vicelike grip to control what content goes onto the ipod/iphone/ipad and who benefits from it. Is this DRM vs MP3 again?