PlayStation 4 plans start to take shape

12. Only 2250 days left till the launch of PS4

It will have 32 core cpus, each running at 8GHz,

10GB DDR10 Graphics ram,

Virtual reality headset glasses for super immersion gaming.

Treble the photo quality graphics games engine, leaving behind cartoon type graphics.(current gen only a practice)

5Tb Solid state super fast storage.

Integrated 4096p resolution HD freesat / PVR function

USB version 5 wireless

Blu-ray version 2.0 - 2Tb per disc, dropping 1080p for 4090p resolution

3D HD at 4k res

Geared up to utilize 1GB/sec fibre optic broadband

4096p resolution 4096 x 3072 pixel graphics.

Bluetooth version 6

And games will be totally free paid for by adverts in games.

11. i think all this talk about the ps4 is a bit foolhardy really. Sony needs to start making some money off the back of the ps3 before they start thinking about the release of the ps4.

In many ways the ps3 is the perfect machine, i have one and i absolutely love it to bits! i got one of the 80gb models with the dualshock 3 and swapped out the original HDD for a 250gb one the day i got it home! so all of you complaining about how the ps4 should have HDDs in what ever size you want, you can already do that in the ps3! hell you can put anything up to 500gb in there without spending much money at all! My 250gb drive cost me £50 and that was well over a year ago now!

What Sony really need to do is get more killer exclusives out. The main reason i bought my ps3 when i did was for metal gear solid 4, arguably one of the best looking video games i have ever played on ANY console. More games like that please! also, more games where you can do OFFLINE multiplayer! i am sick and tired of games coming out which are only online multiplayer, the most fun i have playing games is playing mario Kart Wii with 3 other people ON THE SAME MACHINE! i like playing games with my friends, but the only games i can really do that on is the guitar hero/rockband franchise, and they get boring after a while!

People are getting too obsessed over the quality of visuals and online game play these days. Not everyone has a set-up capable of 1080p HD, i sure as hell don't! so all this talk about better than HD graphics or the graphics of a ps3 not being as good as a 360 on head to heads is pretty meaningless for me!

My ps3 is the main hub of my home entertainment system, partly why i bought it. It isn't a one trick pony! I use it as a blu-ray player, a dvd player, i have tons of video content stored on the HDD and it has never played up on me once.

So i would like to sum up with this, the ps3 has only just begun to show what it is capable of with games such as Heavy rain, im sure the same can be said of the xbox, their lifecycle will go far beyond 2011 as the development costs of yet another new console is just too great in this economic climate. I can see the motion controllers coming out next year in their finalised form which will extend the lifecycle of this generation even further. Don't write them off yet!

10. I think that sony are a good make and there consoles are great there ps4 shuold be the best so far with the economical stuff going on and the design should look cool the energy use of the ps4 should be low and the grapics should be better than HD quality the hard drive should be bigger and should be able to buy any amount of GB.

the controlers should stay the same of be even more de-tailed and a better look, the ps3 controlers are better because they have just turned wireless and easy to use.

the ps4 has got to be looking siffrent to all the rest of the sony consoles the only thing that sony need to worry about is if they can make it cheap enoth so younger buyers can get it not just get it when the ps5 or the next console comes.

pluss sony need to get income from this but havent done that so far but they hope to get profit from there design they havent chosen there final design yet i dont think but that is somethink i would like to know and not just guess

9. i think that Sony has done a great job with the ps3.ps4 should have same controller design ,u know blutooth motion sensitive or six-axis .but u should be able to buy hardisks for ps4 in whatever size u want in the right format.blu-ray is great ps1-at least 2 compatibility .it'll be nice to be at lest 3 times more powerful than the ps3.Matt metal (removable) cover would be great too.more online features and psn service in all of Europe i live in Iceland so that's s**t!able to write notes ,same xmb interface and a browser where u can play all flash vids and games . and be able to view all email websites .dvd ripper would be great.what would be great personally is is to create a partition on the hard-disk to put linux or windows on .not for free but a ps3's power has that advantage.AND of course a new disk format.

8. For the next generation Playstation, the Cell needs to increase the LS memory for each SPU by another 256KB. Maybe increase additional coprocessors (PPU/SPU). However, the current Cell is still very capable for next generation physic calculations and other vector (SIMD) based equations; what the next Playstation needs is an improved graphics processor and possibly improve/better power management i.e. less power use or intelligent power management system (software controlled).

7. Ive done research into the cell which should be used in PS4. Can find the information here.

www.psfour.info/cpu.php

6. Iggy - okay, sorry about that, I would have edited it had TR's forum had let me!

On pure numbers, the Nvidia RSX in the PS3 is - technically- not as powerful as the ATI Xenos GPU in 360. It's a close call, but the Xenos edges it - mainly due to memory bandwidth issues and the way the RSX is tied to the Cell. It's way more complicated than my brain can cope with (all to do with pixel shaders and triangles per second) but go to Anandtech for more details.

I meant that the card and architecture aren't up to the task in terms of what Sony was promising - full 60fps at 1080. It's rubbish; a lot of games are 720p and some are even lower res and upscaled.

Wipeout HD is gorgeous , for example, but it's one of those games that flatters to deceive - the world is limited to the course so you can really optimise these kinds of games.

Clearly for this generation, the PS3 is adequate - there are a lot of lovely games out there, but improving the Cell processor is not the only answer: make the graphics card twice as powerful and make the architecture more memory/speed efficient and the machine would be easier to code for and you WOULD notice a difference, visually.

(Also, I think the next-gen machines should have dedicated physics processors not just faster general-purpose chipsets).

I don't believe the 360's three-core Xenon can crunch more numbers than the 7-SPE Cell, but it's a more elegant unified system and the proof of the pudding seems to be that in A-B comparisons, 360 is either equal to or beats the PS3 graphically in every single test (Eurogamer).

Honestly, I'm not after an argument - I own all three consoles and they all have games worth playing. I just think the PS3 is the one that has overpromised and underdelivered.

5. @ Weezer

Don't appreciate the 'way too precious love' comment. Also think your statement is a very bold - "you can't really argue that the graphics card and architecture are up to the task"

Can you explain why you think this is true? Is this something you have read spec-wise or do you really think the 360 can out-perform the cell?

4. iggy - wtf? If you think that was a fanboy rant you're way too precious love. I own a PS3 and am increasingly happy with it. But you can't really argue that the graphics card and architecture are up to the task - the Xbox360 out-performs almost every single cross-platform game (see Eurogamer for their detailed head-to-heads).

I actually agree with you: I don't see any reason for a PS4 in three years' time. I've barely scratched the surface with mine, and neither have the developers, I believe.

And I stand by my 'twice as powerful' comment. PS3 was ten+ times more powerful than PS2 (or so Sony would have us believe). I just don't think that people will be flocking to a machine that barely looks much different graphically.

3. I think that just shows how PS3 is desperate in their struggle for this console war. Sony fears the competition from the Xbox720, which would further strengthen the position of the Xbox range of consoles. Sony announced earlier that the PS3 is the next gen console for the next 10 years, but only 2 years have passed since its launch, so does that mean the PS3 has failed their expectations?! I'm a big Sony fan by the way.

2. @weezer

Go to N4G if you want to fight over your fanboy broadcasts mate, that sites ruined in my opinion because of people like you.

Personally, I love Playstation but I don't think a playstation 4 is necessary for at least 3 years yet.

1. Only 'twice' as powerful? That's not much of a jump - it'll be barely perceptible for most people. Anyway, it's not the Cell it's that **** graphics card (and hobbled architecture).

I think they'll have issues trying to sell a brand new system to the masses when, by then, the PS3 should be much cheaper than it is now (and, you'd hope, better supported). Be really interesting to see how they go with this. The 'cheap to make' comment makes me think of a PS3.5 with Wii-type controllers...